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Noah
#1 Posted : Tuesday, January 22, 2008 1:56:32 PM(UTC)
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We have been doing a lot of work on a few sites with heavy loads to streamline the process. One thing we notice is most merchants keep the trip to the cart in place for every product add.

Well this causes a lot of additional page loads and work for the server in order to take the extra trip every time. It is page loads, viewstate loads (forward and back) and rendering the cart each time. If you're tracking inventory, the toll is that much greater. So, using this method on the average store - for 10 items in the cart it is 30 additional page loads, and over 200 additional DB calls.

I think in MOST cases it is unnecessary, and actually bad for the shopping experience. Now before you rip me apart, every site is unique and there are exceptions to every rule, so in your case it may be the better to go to the cart every time. I believe that 90 times out of 100 it isn't.

I really hate analogies but think of this.

From the user/shopper

You head out to target to get a few things. I want a digital camera, spare batteries, extra memory, and some paper for the printer.

So I head out to the camera dept. I spend a while looking at the models, make a choice and throw one in the cart and - BAM! - I'm teleported to the checkout line in the front of the store?

Well now I have to go back into the store and look for the memory (which was actually on the shelf below the cameras!) Depending on the store (ecomm or B&M) it may take some work to get back there again and I may not even bother.

Rinse and repeat, rinse and repeat.

From the store/marketing

We all know why the milk is at the back corner of the store right? The B&M's figured out many years ago, the longer shoppers spend in the store in minutes and the longer they travel through the store in distance (they actually measure this in feet) the more they add to their cart ie. SPEND.

We don't have to spend the millions the big guys did to figure this out, it's actually pretty easy to paint by numbers.

Keep the people IN THE STORE, don't send them into the cart until you're ready to say good bye.

Now I don't care what you have for a server or servers, there is a finite amount of resources available to service your store, just like in a B&M. A retailer would not add a step that could possibly get you out of the store faster, nor would they spend a penny unnecessarily on resources that are not required.

Case in point we have a merchant that is running on two dedicated servers right now that asked us to look at the flow of things to see where speed could be improved as well as provisioning additional servers to handle the load. Well they should have MORE than enough already to handle the load, so we leaned towards finding the bottlenecks. Long story short, by removing this unnecessary trip to the cart on every product added to the cart the servers are flying again, the application is stable and there is no need to add any additional servers. It's too soon to definitively say that sales have also increased due to the chage but it sure looks that way so far. We'll know a lot better in a month or so after some new trends are established.

So to cart or not to cart?.........
Noah
Matt@9BallDesign
#2 Posted : Tuesday, January 22, 2008 3:30:49 PM(UTC)
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It's a funny analogy and luck would have it that I had this conversation but 20 minutes ago with a client (we're formatting the product page). He said the same exact thing about adding to the cart and you find yourself at the register needing more items.... no lie!

I'm still a fan of the shopping cart page redirect as it's targeting the one and done shopper, but as the catalogs grow and the related items are stacking up the average items per ticket is growing from 1 & 2, to 4, 5, 6..... and we need to cater to this.

An effective test is to add sightmax to your site and watch your users shop the site. Do a few days of the cart redirecting and then do a few days of the cart notification. Compare the visual with the orders.

Who looked like they had an easier time purchasing multiple items? did it really affect the *one & done* shopper? did it get the *one & done* to pick up an additional item?

This is a great topic. ...it's definitely more constructive than the fluid vs. fixed layout discussion....LOL....
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Andy Miller
#3 Posted : Tuesday, January 22, 2008 5:52:40 PM(UTC)
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Staying with Target, they (around here) have multiple checkouts: one at the front of the store, one in the electronics department, and one in the pharmecy area.

Perhaps they found that people buying medications and electronics want to grab one thing be done. And the thought of having to wait through the potentially long lines up front led to abandoned carts.

Maybe this is a model worth mimicing: some categories or products take you straight to checkout while others leave you by the milk.
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Matt@9BallDesign
#4 Posted : Tuesday, January 22, 2008 6:21:10 PM(UTC)
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Upsell/Cross Sell feature option


"some categories or products take you straight to checkout while others leave you by the milk."



Would training a user to use the website one way....only to have it 180 during the same session be a dead end? or are we, in general, steadily growing accustomed to the multiple checkout options in physical stores that the same may apply to a web shopping experience?
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Andy Miller
#5 Posted : Tuesday, January 22, 2008 7:53:17 PM(UTC)
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"Would training a user to use the website one way....only to have it 180 during the same session be a dead end?"

Probably. I suspect the physical analogy breaks here.

But maybe it is a useful concept that just needs a different implementation. Like 2 buttons, "Add to Cart" and "Hand to Clerk and Get Me Out Of Here!" ("Buy Now" might be better for the 2nd button since people may have come to associate "Buy Now" with immediate checkout systems like PayPal and Google).


Another option (may require training) is to drag-and-drop the item onto a cart or onto a cash register.
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bbcweb
#6 Posted : Tuesday, January 22, 2008 9:56:45 PM(UTC)
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Since you are asking the question I think it is safe to assume that your client has a good mix of one-and-done shoppers and multiple item carts... Since there isn't a clear one way or another answer, what if you left it up to the user?


after a user clicks the "buy now" button they are presented with notification that; the item has been added would you like to keep shopping or view your cart now? Additionally you could have a "remember my answer" checkbox for savvy users to streamline their experience, or force them to use this intermediate screen and present related or add-on items.



The intermediate notification could be a new page or a floated div over the product page (this borrowed from another thread here http://forums.bvcommerce.com/default.aspx?f=92&m=53164)
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Matt@9BallDesign
#7 Posted : Tuesday, January 22, 2008 11:30:04 PM(UTC)
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"Add To Cart" + "Buy Now & Checkout" buttons.


Would you expect to be sent to the Cart Page or skip it and go right to the checkout process (be it account creation or 1 step checkout)?



Hey Carl, the clients cover the gamut for one-and-done & multiple item carts. Really depends on the market, but I think that's an easy way out... if enough time & effort is placed into each store you know there would be more multi-item orders.



Brings me to off-topic feature that I've been hoping to see... the "spend only $XXX.XX more to qualify for free shipping" on the cart page (or ATC Notification)
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bbcweb
#8 Posted : Wednesday, January 23, 2008 1:05:38 AM(UTC)
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yeah, i agree, each store and market have their own answer, I mis-read Noah's original post as this particular client wanted to accommodate types of shoppers. If the site is geared towards carts with multiple items then my vote from a shopper point of view is no cart. I have spent a lot of time placing orders online and hated having to back out of the cart after every item. I personally would rather just see an indication that an item is in my cart without leaving the page. Anyhow it's late and my todo list is not getting any shorter :)
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john.power
#9 Posted : Wednesday, January 23, 2008 1:13:22 AM(UTC)
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If you tweak the inertial dampers & modulate the atomic decoder you'll get less of the BAM when teleporting...
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#10 Posted : Wednesday, January 23, 2008 11:40:48 AM(UTC)
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that's pretty funny....LMAO
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Noah
#11 Posted : Wednesday, January 23, 2008 11:46:23 AM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: "JP3" Go to Quoted Post
If you tweak the inertial dampers & modulate the atomic decoder you'll get less of the BAM when teleporting...


You see John, it's the constant product improvements that make it fun working you.

I just spit coffee all over my screen - that was a good one!


Carl:

In this case it was all about the page loads per customer (primarily the redundant trips back and forth from the cart) that was adding a lot of overhead. The customer averages 10 items in their cart so the server and customer was dealing with an average 30 more page loads than needed.

Matt, Andy - Good points as always.

Most of the studies I read (and a lot of internal research) shows that we are not dealing with a "new-to-ecomm" customer nearly as much as we were years ago. It looks like about 1 in 7,000-8,000 are a "first time ecommerce shopper". So rules we follow now are a lot more age demographic centric, than newbie centric when it comes to usability and flow.

With this in mind, customers (most) understand that when you put things in your cart, that is what happens and when you want to get out of there you find/hit the checkout button. I think a mini-cart control is useful and as always, good core navigation - and if you are skipping the trip to the cart page on product add, leave some visual indicator that it was added to your cart.

So far, all indications on this store is sales and carts are up and the server is running about 30% less on the resources. The time per session is way down, so that is clearly something that has changed. It will be another couple months to really see the big picture but so far it looks like a really good change for this store.
Noah
bbcweb
#12 Posted : Wednesday, January 23, 2008 12:31:55 PM(UTC)
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Thanks Noah, keep us updated
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MitchA
#13 Posted : Wednesday, January 23, 2008 12:53:23 PM(UTC)
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"Item has been added to cart" isn't a site term (or is it?) in SP2. Is it in SP3.1?

Either way, I'd like to clean this up. Anyone know where this term is?
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Matt@9BallDesign
#14 Posted : Wednesday, January 23, 2008 2:25:26 PM(UTC)
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hey mitch, cliff did a real nice styling job on that notification:


http://forums.bvcommerce.com/default.aspx?f=92&m=53164&g=53461#m53461
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sternyy
#15 Posted : Monday, January 28, 2008 9:56:08 AM(UTC)
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I like the idea of not going to the cart everytime a customer clicks "add to cart", but what i also like is when a product has accessories and it re-directs the customer to a page before the cart with all the accessories for that product. It makes the product page less cluttered with products that have 5 or more accessories.
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#16 Posted : Wednesday, January 30, 2008 8:10:45 PM(UTC)
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I say Don't Cart.
As a shopper, I've been peeved more than a few times with that.

Straight to Check Out, only to find the keep Shopping button if it exists, Then taken back to the Home page.
I was actually ready to buy a supporting upsell item on the Detail page.

It might be a nice trick to keep you browsers tied up in your store longer, But I won't put my customers through that dirty trick.
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#17 Posted : Thursday, January 31, 2008 4:26:20 PM(UTC)
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How do you display your crosssales / accessories when you don't cart? We have about 10 accessories for customers to choose from and I wouldnt know how to display them when you don't cart...
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#18 Posted : Thursday, January 31, 2008 4:58:34 PM(UTC)
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Bryan, we're making heavy usage of the related items. We're also adding a section within the product description that is specific to accessories for each piece of equipment. If the customer stays on the page, making these accessories noticeable should catch their eye.


We would prefer the Upsell process (add to cart interruption) for certain pieces. If there is a way to indicate within a product template to send to cart, that would be well received!
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#19 Posted : Thursday, January 31, 2008 7:10:57 PM(UTC)
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I guess id have to see an example of how to have heavy usage of crossells/accessories to see how i could implement it in our site... I really like the idea of "not to cart" and think it would benifit our buisness a lot, but our accessories are also really important as well.
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#20 Posted : Thursday, March 13, 2008 12:07:07 PM(UTC)
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The GAP has been doing this for a while now, when you add to your cart it simply ads the item via AJAX and then the mini-cart in the top right had corner notifies the user a item has been added.

They even took their store offline for a while to upgrade to their new inline product popup preview etc. (which cost them something like $10 million to do?).
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